Do Deists Believe in an “Afterlife”

I Believe We are Enegetic Beings

I Believe We are Energetic Beings

Anyone answering this question with a flat yes or no, simply isn’t qualified to answer this question.  The question itself stems from the belief that a church, holy book or organization is supposed to tell its members what to believe and how to believe it.

In its’ simplest form Deism is simply an understanding that a God/Creator exists and we can determine that with reason and logic.  The more we examine the universe, physics and science the more, not less real God becomes.

Your fellow Deists then leave it to you to use your reason and your God given logic to determine what that means to you in your life and frankly there after.  Hence the answer to the above question is some do, some don’t and those that do have a lot of different views as to what it might be like.

So the only honest way I can answer this question is to tell you what I personally believe.  First I believe in some type of afterlife, I would call it more a continuation of life.  I certainly do not believe in either the heaven or hell of the revealed religions.

Neither make sense in any real way, they are completely ridiculous if we use logic and reason to consider them.  There are many reasons though that I personally believe that some part of our consciousness continues after death, some include…

  • Science has discovered that humans and all life indeed has a field of energy that exists outside of and around the body and this field has a real effect on us both mentally and physically.  There is even evidence via experimentation that some or even most of our memories may exist in this field and the brain is more of a receiver then say a hard drive.  If you want to learn more about this I recommend the film “The Living Matrix“.
  • The many reports of near death experiences specifically from people who were clinically dead.  While revealed religions hold up cases of visions of heaven and hell as proof of their paradigm, many people have had completely different experiences, this leads me to believe we create our own realities on this plane at least for a time as a coping mechanism.
  • I have personally experienced OBEs (out of body experiences).  I am not someone who says I can do it at will and I believe most who claim so are frauds.  It only happened twice to me but I remember both times vividly.  I am also a “lucid dreamer” and know a dream from an actual experience.  All I can say is you have to experience this to understand it.  During one of my OBEs I didn’t meet God or any entities, I just moved around my home, looked at my son sleeping in bed and returned to my body.  Another time I simply “walked” around my apartment and saw myself sleeping on my couch, when I touched myself the reentry and awaking was abrupt.  In both experiences there was a level of vibration experienced that is so unique it is unmistakeable.
  • The very fact that a life force even exists is something that tells me it likely continues after the body dies.  If you kill a person dead even in a way that is as gentle as can be done and leave them dead long enough there is no way to “revive them”.  You can hook their body up to machines, pump their blood, make their heart beat make every body system “function” mechanically.  If you scratch the arm of someone in this state nothing will heal it, no bandage, no drug, no suture, no nothing.  Only the life force can do something as mundane as heal a scratch.
  • The first law of thermodynamics tells us “that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another”.  If our life is energetic, if our conscious is energetic and we know that they indeed are the energy itself can not be destroyed, its form may change but it will continue to exist.

These are my reasons, well just a few of them.  On the next post I will tell you what I think an afterlife or better stated a continuation of existence might be like.

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14 comments to Do Deists Believe in an “Afterlife”

  • Pecos Billy

    I like what you said, it makes sense. My questions: using the laws of thermodynamics and having our energy converted after we die, what were we converted from when we were born and what do we become after we die? Does our energy convert to a hovering around another person, perhaps a fetus somewhere? Is our energy source stored someplace by God to be used at His discretion? Or, does our energy evolve to either a lesser form of life or higher?

    If we were in God’s hands before birth and when we die return to His hands, then why were we not in His hands while living on earth? If God is the source of all energy, then He must be the source of all life. Good and evil exist from the source of all life and therefore the Creator is responsible for what He has made. If you were to make a product, wouldn’t you be responsible for it to work correctly?

    • ModernDeist

      Lets say I am make a product, say a gun. I provide it to you.

      If you let it rust and degrade, am I responsible when it doesn’t work?

      If you choose to kill an innocent man, am I blamed for your evil deed?

      If you act as a hero and save the lives of many with it, am I to be held as valorous as you for having made the gun?

      If you shoot yourself in the foot by stupidity am I responsible for your injury?

      If you drop it in a swamp, it is my responsibility to replace it because you lost it?

      Think about those concepts.

      • Ken

        A gun is designed to do a specific task. If not taken care of, it will rust and degrade naturally to the point of not working just like when we die regardless of how much we take care of our self.

        As a product of this god who has a brain to make decisions unlike a gun, I am responsible for my actions. If I made a bear trap and set it in the woods and another person steps on it, am I responsible?

        Religious people claim that a god sent them to save those people. He (god), through a chain of unrelated events, “mysteriously” steered the person to that area. Praise God!

        Once again, I would be responsible since I have a brain to make decisions and decides not to do something unlike a gun that does not think.

        If I am dropped me in a swamp and “lost” me, I will try to get out and press charges against you for attempted murder.

        @Pesco Billy to go along with what ModernDeist is saying, think of it as trying to make A.I. (artificial intelligence). Who would you blame in the same scenarios that were presented. (which by the way have you seen the movie “Her”?, it’s about a A.I. operating system.. kind of weird and can be a eye roller) Since we know without a doubt we exist then yes, we would be responsible when it didn’t work and would have to fix it.

        If the A.I. killed a innocent person. Did my programming allow such a action? If it did, then I would be responsible. If the A.I. destroyed another A.I. would I be responsible. Only if the other A.I.s did not have the same abilities or the ability to defend themselves. But if all A.I.s have those abilities then they are responsible for what they do because of freewill that is program into them.

        If the A.I. through its calculations came up with the cure of cancer, yes I would receive the praise for making a A.I. that was capable of that accomplishment.

        If the A.I. did something to harm it’s own programming, that would be it’s own fault if I gave it the ability to make that decision for such an action.

        If I dropped the A.I. in a swamp and could not find it and there was only one then I think society would be pretty mad. If there were a lot of A.I.s, I don’t think others would care and I would have to go create or buy a new one because I lost it.

  • netizen_james

    Hmmm. Energy can’t be created or destroyed, but information can be.
    The information that is ‘ourselves’ is lost when the hardware of neurology can no longer ‘run’ the software that is ‘ourselves’. At which point that information is lost, just like that unsaved text file when the dog stepped on the power-strip.

    The ‘energy field’ and ‘aurora’ nonsense is just that. Might as well wonder about the ‘secret life of plants’ and other pseudoscientific nonsense.

    And there’s no clear difference between an OOBE and a dream.
    There are zero documented cases of data which would be unknowable to the waking person to have been acquired during an OOBE.

    If you can prove such a thing, the Randi Foundation has a million dollars waiting for you….

    And no, people who are brain-dead have bodies that still (attempt to) heal themselves. So there’s no connection between having the lights on, and having someone home.

    N_J

    • ModernDeist

      Well first information can be created but modern cosmology tells us it exists infinitely after its creation. Some theorists (again cosmologists not new agers) actually are pretty sure information isn’t ever created either, more accurately discovered. That the inforamtion I am apparently creating by typing right now to you already existed, I am just manifesting it in this current form.

      Now on your pessimism for OBEs I don’t really care, this site is for people that believe in Deism and discuss things about it. Not for skeptics to bitch about something they don’t agree with. That said I love the Amazing Randi and point out what he does often with people that claim to do psychic readings, etc. Such doesn’t apply to OBEs, one can’t prove or disprove an OBE, one can only experience it for themselves and make there own decisions about it. As for zero documented cases that is absolutely untrue, do some reading and some research. I won’t waste my time telling you about it though, as I doubt you would listen.

      Also if you don’t think living beings have an energy field you are simply ignoring proven scientific knowledge. This isn’t even disputed, the only dispute is what this energy is and what it means. I don’t really know if it is an aura and I doubt just about anyone that says stupid crap like they can see it or read it or cleanse it, most people saying such crap are hucksters or idiots.

      The problem for people like you is you likely don’t know what Deism is and confuse the discussion here with the likes of those mentioned above.

  • Ken

    Your link above leads to a “page not found”.. here is the link on You Tube in English with Spanish sub-titles ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZU0GSoeo8 )

  • Ihab A.

    Anyone answering this question with a flat yes or no, simply isn’t qualified to answer this question

    You must be a true idiot to write such illogical sentence. Their either is or isn’t an afterlife.

    • ModernDeist

      Ihab A.

      You are the one demonstrating ignorance here. The question was not is there or is there not an after life, it was do deists believe in an afterlife.

      You have made yourself look like a fool. And when you do this and insult others at the same time you look like an even bigger fool.

  • Josh Drain

    I believe that all sentient beings have a bioelectrical aura which has their consciousness. When an individual dies their aura (or soul) goes to one of two bioelectrical plains, where you go depends on the density of your soul, and the density of your soul depends on if you were good or not. Basically your good deeds must outweigh your bad deeds (where you go doesn’t have anything to do with what religion you are).

  • Warren

    I don’t think our energy stays coherent for any extended period of time. What we are made of, whether matter or energy, gets dispersed and becomes parts of other things including possibly other lifeforms. But I don’t think we are aware of this as a single unit. In fact, I think that universes go through cycles and eventually we will become part of a living being, not being aware of the time passed… but this would be in a totally dispersed fashion, as I think that the cohesiveness of our energy is lost fairly quickly. What it means to me, is that we don’t have a soul per se, but due to conservation of energy we return back to the “pool”.

  • Will Gilmer

    I’m sensing a lot of “I want it to be true” irrationality going on here. Let us take a moment to take a step back a remember one of the main ideas of Deism, nature.

    Do we observe in nature proof of the afterlife? If you answer is no than you’re kind of stuck with no afterlife. If your answer is yes then you’re going to have to prove it to everybody else for them to believe you, because we as Deists are inherently skeptical of miracles.

    We can also look at what classical deist people like Thomas Paine said, which boils down to “Don’t know, but it’d be nice.”

    Nature wastes nothing, in fact because of thermodynamics it can’t. So if there is an energy that is a spiritual or conscious “You” then it must go somewhere upon your death.

    I like to think of the water cycle (nature). Water exists in a solid form, evaporates into the air, and is redistributed where ever and whenever conditions allow. Your “soul” or “conscious energy” could evaporate on death and be spread across a million different people like drops of water in a lake. You need to prove that this individual energy exists first though.

    Avoid being caught up in this idea of “memory”. People who are very much alive and conscious lose their memories all the time. People even create memories of things that never happened. Memory is fragile and not the bench mark of being alive or rational, although it is helpful.

    Do you believe in ghosts? If yes then you are stuck coming up with some rationality for the soul or individual conscious energy. If no then you probably don’t believe in life after death anyway.

    Nature wastes nothing. What is the benefit to life after death? What would that do for the great natural cycle? What are the pros to including it? Wouldn’t it be easier and more efficient to just….not?

    And always remember, the most logical answer is probably true.

    (on an unrelated note, how do you see during an OBE? I mean with no physical rods or cones to interpret physical reflected light it seems impossible according to the natural laws God has created…and no responding with “Well how do you see in a dream?” because all you do is compare the “realness” of OBEs with the “realness” of dreams…unless you think dreams are real too)

    • ModernDeist

      It is amusing that so many atheists use there is no proof of an after life as their argument.

      Personally it scientifically makes sense to me that there may be an afterlife and there is a lot of commonality of stories of NDEs by people in different cultures and times.

      Would I like it to be true? Sure. I that why I believe it? No. I would like Santa to be real and I don’t believe in him. I would like to believe that governments really do try to do the best for their people, but I don’t believe that either. There is a metric shit ton of things I want to believe that I don’t believe.

      The proof argument is quite simple to me, science has offered no more proof in the absence of an afterlife then in the existence of said same.

      While I have never had an NDE I have had two OBEs and as a lucid dreamer I know they were not dreams. I can’t do it at will like many claim, (I think most that claim it can be done at will are scammers by the way) but it does happen. While this is something I can’t prove, it is something I know, I know it as much as I know when you drop shit it falls. You are welcome to believe as you see fit, one day we will both either know or not know the truth. LOL

      As to how you see during an OBE, I have NO IDEA how, I just know that.

  • Cynthia

    “Do Deist’s believe in an afterlife?”
    I do. I’m not arrogant enough to believe that our Supreme Creator is only capable of creating humans. I belive He has created many beings and we currently do not have the technology to communicate with them. Once humans learn how to tap into a higher percentage of our brain capacity, communication may be possible. I believe our souls are moved into another beings body. The soul is the most powerful thing He created and I do not believe it dies off once the vessel which contains it passes away.

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